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The Four Threats…..and tariffs

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  • #4404
    Thor Joachim Haga
    Nøkkelmester

    For many years now, there have been FOUR main threats to my soundtrack CD purchasing. Technically SIX, but the first two have to do with my personal situation (lack of money and lack of space), and not the world situation at large, which are:

    1. Steep prices on CDs
    2. Insane shipping costs
    3. New, expensive customs and taxes
    4. Terrible exchange rate (for the Norwegian krone)

    ….and now, on top of all this, there are the braindead Trump tarrifs. For a while, I thought it would only affect cars, steel and industries that don’t personally affect me, but I suppose it will also affect the price of CDs, and their import both from the US and Europe.

    How do you relate to all this?

    #4408
    Nick Zwar
    Deltaker

    I’m actually not too worried about tariffs. Not because I don’t think they are harmful, but precisely because I believe they are harmful. I can repeat what I said already some time ago on the Film Score Monthly Message Board. Tariffs are of course a political instrument, which can be sensible or beneficial or not, depending on why and how they are implemented, but they should be implemented with caution and for a specific time and for specific things. The current situation, smacking tariffs on everything across the board, is foolish, it’s stupid, and therefore is likely more of a short burning fire. I don’t think — at this point — that we’ll have long lasting super tariffs across the globe… as that would benefit no one, really. Not the EU, not the US, not China, really nobody. That’s why they won’t last. It’s just economic “saber-rattling” right now, it’ll pass. In fact, since I wrote these last words on FSM, ALREADY the US has done a sudden U-term and stopped the proposed tariffs for 90 days. Possibly because it’s already become clear how much economic damage this would do. The key to prosperity is global international free trade, with clear and specific rules, not isolationism. It’s okay to restrict certain things for certain reasons, but nobody, really no country at all, benefits from a trade war tariffs.

    #4409
    Thor Joachim Haga
    Nøkkelmester

    First of all, thanks for joining, Nick!

    And yes, I also cling on to the hope that it’s just “saber rattling” at this point, like Trump likes to do.

    #4623
    Thor Joachim Haga
    Nøkkelmester

    Amazon is part of VOEC and allows you to check an estimate for the customs fee, but I haven’t checked if there’s been any change. USA has a 15% tariff on Norway, but I don’t know if that is added to that existing Amazon estimate.

    By the way, the Norwegian prime minister and finance minister (the latter being Jens Stoltenberg, previous NATO boss) met with Trump yesterday, and when the tariffs came up, he said “we could afford it” or something like that, because of our oil fund. I want to punch that red-haired cretin in the face every day.

    #4636
    Eirik Myhr
    Deltaker

    I want to punch that red-haired cretin in the face every day.

    For many more reasons than this – so do I. And I’m pretty much a pacifist.

    #4745
    Thor Joachim Haga
    Nøkkelmester

    Been browsing some online stores today, and realized there’s a FIFTH threat on the rise — many stores don’t even ship to Norway in the first place! Some speak about “restrictions”, but I don’t know what they are. It’s like we’re some third world country. Denmark and Sweden, for example, are absolutely fine.

    So if the nail in the coffin wasn’t all the way in, it definitely is so now.

    I was against EU 30+ years ago, but I’m very much pro Norway getting into the union now. Not only for issues like these (us being part of EEA simply doesn’t help), but for security reasons as well, in this unstable time of ours.

    #4747
    slint
    Deltaker

    Yes, that’s really the most significant issue as my want list goes down. For half of the items I want, the seller wouldn’t even bother shipping to my country.

    Even Music Box wouldn’t ship to the UK for 2 years. I’m not sure why they were so inclined to punish us since I was not one to vote for Brexit.

    #4748
    Nick Zwar
    Deltaker

    In all fairness, I am sure it wasn’t Music Box who did the punishing. After Brexit, sending something commercially the UK from Europe became a costly bureaucratic undertaking, that many companies simply (and understandably) said “f$%! that”.
    The other way around, too, which is why I don’t order anything from the UK anymore. Ironically, it’s cheaper for me to order Varèse Sarabande CDs from their US store than it is from the “international” (but in reality only “UK”) store.

    #4749
    Thor Joachim Haga
    Nøkkelmester

    I don’t think it has anything to do with being inside or outside the EU (many non-EU countries in Europe are part of the EEA), at least that can’t be the primary reason. So it would be great to know why Norway is suddenly on several stores’ “black lists” (like DeepDiscounts or CDWOW). The Record Hub, based in Ireland, says we’re omitted because of some “restrictions”, but I have no idea what they are, and I haven’t found any info online.

    #4757
    Nick Zwar
    Deltaker

    I have no idea why and how Norway would be effected by all of this, I’m just pretty sure the culprit in most cases is not the actual store. I’m sure they don’t mind selling CDs or anything else to Norwegians or Norway just out of spite. But I understand that it’s annoying if you don’t even know what these “restrictions” are.

    #4758
    Nick Zwar
    Deltaker

    I just wanted to order Intrada’s new FIRST BLOOD, I added Music Box Record’s new L’ÉTÉ MEURTRIER by Georges Delerue, so I had at least two CDs to order.
    This would have cost me $71.98 at Intrada… because the shipping is so darn high. Add to that, there’s a good chance I’d have to pay additional fees then the package arrives. The exact same order at Music Box Records cost me €55.25, so considerably less, even though the actual FIRST BLOOD CD costs considerably more there. It’s crazy how much shipping from the US has become.

    #4759
    Thor Joachim Haga
    Nøkkelmester

    But is it more expensive with the new tarrifs, or have they been like that for a couple of years?

    #4760
    slint
    Deltaker

    I’m just pretty sure the culprit in most cases is not the actual store.

    Most of the time the culprit is the seller. On Discogs or Ebay sellers have to make a choice, and many refuse to ship to UK.

    #4762
    Nick Zwar
    Deltaker

    This may be, but the question is why they refuse to ship to the UK. I know at least from one seller (but not CDs, clothes) who stopped selling to the UK completely. Why? Because she didn’t feel like it? No, but because the hassle wasn’t worth it. Apart from the considerable additional paperwork that was allegedly necessary (I didn’t dig into that, so I don’t know), what happened a lot with UK shipments was this: Items shipped, entered UK, stuck in customs. Customer did not pick up package to pay additional fees. Customer demanded refund because he never received the item. (Easy to do with Paypal.) Seller maybe (or even maybe not sometimes) received back the package. Stuck with a lot of hassle, a lot of expenses, and maybe even with lost merchandise. Once that happens to a seller a couple of times, he is likely cross the UK from the list of countries he’s selling to. Stuff like that seems to have happened a lot after Brexit.

    #4763
    Malte Müller
    Nøkkelmester

    It might be VAT taxes. If you do business with private persons on other countries you cannot use reverse charge applicable for businesses but sometimes have to register for VAT in that country. For EU countries there is a way to register in your local tax authorities but it is really bureaucratic overhead already. Might be more complicated in other countries. For that reason I as a freelancer I refuse to work for private persons outside Germany.

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