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  • #5472

    Thanks for the offer, Mark, but no worries. I can wait.

    I just realized I have too few composer biographies (plenty for filmmakers, though).

    #5570

    Woo-hoo, the Williams book has arrived! Can’t wait to delve in!

    #5615
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

      Woo-hoo, the Williams book has arrived! Can’t wait to delve in!

      And how is it so far?

      Seems Stephen C. Smith who previously wrote biographies of Herrmann and Steiner has a new book coming:
      “Hitchcock and Herrmann: The Friendship and Film Scores That Changed Cinema”

      #5616

      The Williams book is pretty good so far. I’m at about page 100, I only read in bed, before I go to sleep, and I usually can’t read more than 10 pages a night. The severe tinnitus also affects my reading concentration, it’s not only music and films that suffer.

      But anyway, I would personally have written and structured it somewhat differently here and there, but I can understand why Tim did it the way he did in some situations. I’ll try to write a more detailed post when I’ve finished, and there will probably be a review on the main site (not written by me!) soon.

      As for Smith, I’m aware of his earlier books (I don’t own them), but I wasn’t aware he was still active as a writer.

      #5617
      Malte Müller
      Keymaster

        Ah, that damm tinnitus…

        I’ll try to write a more detailed post when I’ve finished, and there will probably be a review on the main site (not written by me!) soon.

        A double review could also be interesting.

        As for Smith, I’m aware of his earlier books (I don’t own them), but I wasn’t aware he was still active as a writer.

        I haven’t read any of his. It’s on one of these todo lists “sometime”…

        #5619
        Jon Aanensen
        Participant

          I would personally have written and structured it somewhat differently here and there

          Yeah, that sounds like Thor 😅

          #5622
          Malte Müller
          Keymaster

            Yeah, that sounds like Thor 😅

            Probably its too complete and chronological 😉

            #5641
            Graham Watt
            Participant

              I ordered my copy of the Tim Greiving book on John Williams yesterday – should arrive on or before next Friday.

              I’m selective when it comes to biographies, especially of film-related people. From what I have, too many seem to be written by “fanboys” (thanks to Ford Thaxton, I am now considered such), with very little critical filter, and the others seem largely copied and pasted from Wikipedia.

              But I have high hopes for the Greiving book.

              By the way Thor, I “know” (infer) that the Greiving bio flummoxed your own plans to eventually write the “definitive” JW biography. Is there anything that you had previously researched (for example, Williams’ ancestry) which is not covered in the new book?

              #5645

              By the way Thor, I “know” (infer) that the Greiving bio flummoxed your own plans to eventually write the “definitive” JW biography. Is there anything that you had previously researched (for example, Williams’ ancestry) which is not covered in the new book?

              Yes, some bits and pieces, and especially everything that has to do with his TV work, which he covers somewhat superficially in the book. But I gave over a lot of my research material to him once I decided to support the project and not wallow in my own envy.

              I’d love to hear your thoughts once you’ve read it!

              #5754
              Graham Watt
              Participant

                I’m not even half-way through the Tim Greiving book, but I’m enjoying its thoroughness. Every paragraph has me scuttling to the copious notes at the end to find the sources of the info.

                Having said that – and I know you (Thor) has mentioned this… It’s noticeable how he races through all Williams’ early TV work. Even the Irwin Allen shows get barely a mention (apart from some nice words about LOST IN SPACE’s “My Friend, Mr Nobody”. The author also calls the Irwin Allen themes “songs”. Is that accepted nowadays?

                Rather perplexed at his total dissing of DADDY’S GONE A-HUNTING, which I thought was a great score. Other cases are multiple.

                It seems that for Greiving, the composer only really flourished after HEIDI, THE REIVERS etc… which might be the case, but it’s a conservative view. Now I’m ploughing through page after page of how great STAR WARS is.

                I’m not passing any final judgment until I finish the book, but at the moment I’m seeing that it’s a little lop-sided.

                #6935

                I’d love to get Caldera boss Stephan Eicke’s new book on the Angelo Badalamenti/David Lynch collaboration. But money is tight and all that. Anyone else got it, or plan to?

                #6937
                Malte Müller
                Keymaster

                  Not only money but also time to read all this 😉 Don’t even have the Williams book for example…

                  #6938
                  Nicolai P. Zwar
                  Participant

                    The author also calls the Irwin Allen themes “songs”. Is that accepted nowadays?

                    No.

                    #6948
                    Malte Müller
                    Keymaster

                      The author also calls the Irwin Allen themes “songs”. Is that accepted nowadays?

                      Outside our circle maybe…

                      #6957
                      Jon Aanensen
                      Participant

                        I have already read a book about the Twin Peaks soundtrack. I guess that’ll do.

                        #7001
                        Jon Aanensen
                        Participant

                          I just ordered this:

                          #7002

                          Hmmm….is it real? The cover, at least, looks very A.I.

                          #7005
                          Malte Müller
                          Keymaster

                            Amazon is really flooded by cheap AI generated content people like to make a easy dollor with…

                            #7006

                            Yes, I just looked up this “Evan M. Callister”, and there are several other presumably A.I.-generated books by him/it about various politicians, doctors etc. There is no other information about this author online that I could find. So very fair to assume that this is some A.I. book that has amassed its content by scouring online sources. It’s no doubt littered with errors. But I’m sure Jon finds out in due time, and reports back. You live and learn.

                            #7009
                            Jon Aanensen
                            Participant

                              Ouch, looks like a misfire then. The picture doesn’t even look like Zimmer, when I think of it.

                              But it cost less than 300 NOK, so I won’t bother with rejecting the order.

                              #7010

                              Well, I’m very curious to hear how these A.I. books actually are, so hope you report back once you get it.

                              #7447
                              Jon Aanensen
                              Participant

                                I got the book today. 214 pages, 12 chapters. No pictures. Large font. Printed in Las Vegas 15 December 2025, the day I ordered it, so clearly printed on-demand.

                                #7448
                                Malte Müller
                                Keymaster

                                  Large font.

                                  A way to fill 214 pages more easily 😉

                                  #7449

                                  I got the book today. 214 pages, 12 chapters. No pictures. Large font. Printed in Las Vegas 15 December 2025, the day I ordered it, so clearly printed on-demand.

                                  It’s all very fishy. Let us know what the contents are like when you get to it. If nothing else, you’ll have a curiousity in your collection — a book written and produced by a robot!

                                  #7451
                                  Malte Müller
                                  Keymaster

                                    a book written and produced by a robot!

                                    It’s not even by a robot 😉

                                    #7454
                                    Jon Aanensen
                                    Participant

                                      I have read 66 pages. Very elegantly and well written, almost poetic. Some conversations from Zimmer’s childhood which must be pure fiction, like taken from a movie script about Zimmer’s life or something. Also some mistakes, like stating that Stanley Myers was hired to score Rain Man, and that Zimmer worked with many other musicians on that score.

                                      #7455
                                      Nicolai P. Zwar
                                      Participant

                                        Hmmm….is it real? The cover, at least, looks very A.I.

                                        I can’t see the cover. Are there now A.I. written “biographies” of film composers?

                                        #7456
                                        Malte Müller
                                        Keymaster

                                          There is AI slop for everything now.

                                          #7457
                                          Jon Aanensen
                                          Participant

                                            #7460
                                            Jon Aanensen
                                            Participant

                                              Page 118…the book states that Zimmer scored OPPENHEIMER and TENET.

                                              Utterly embarrassing.

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