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  • #14111
    Thor Joachim Haga
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      As a companion thread to the one we have about final scores, which seems to have more or less run its course.

      There is no beating Bernard Herrmann. In fact, he came in on CITIZEN KANE and went out on TAXI DRIVER. Nobody can top that combo.

      But a shout-out to Patrick Doyle’s incredible debut HENRY V. For me, the most impressive after Herrmann.

      Any other suggestions? (note that I’m talking about feature film debuts, not television, videogames or other media).

      #14112
      Jon Aanensen
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        Pat Leonard – AT CLOSE RANGE
        James Newton Howard – HEAD OFFICE
        BT – GO
        Mark Isham – NEVER CRY WOLF
        Jonathan Elias – CHILDREN OF THE CORN
        Gary Chang – 52 PICK-UP
        Harold Faltermeyer – THIEF OF HEARTS
        David Foster – ST ELMOS FIRE

        #14114
        Nicolai P. Zwar
        Deltaker

          Philip Glass: KOYAANISQATSI perhaps…
          And Jerry Goldsmith’s BLACK PATCH is an excellent score, though the movie of course is more forgotten than CITIZEN KANE.

          #14115
          Thor Joachim Haga
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            Those are good ones, although I don’t think I’ve ever heard JNH’s HEAD OFFICE. Nor Chang’s 52 PICK-UP.

            #14118
            Malte Müller
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              Harold Faltermeyer – THIEF OF HEARTS

              I thought he did at least one or some GErman movies or so before that?

              #14119
              Malte Müller
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                Nor Chang’s 52 PICK-UP.

                I have that digitally somewhere but haven’t listened to it for – you guessed it – ages. Labeled as “good”. I for sure also saw the movie at some time.

                #14121
                Jon Aanensen
                Deltaker

                  Those are good ones, although I don’t think I’ve ever heard JNH’s HEAD OFFICE. Nor Chang’s 52 PICK-UP.

                  HEAD OFFICE is sadly unreleased, but 52 is on Varese.

                  #14122
                  Jon Aanensen
                  Deltaker

                    Harold Faltermeyer – THIEF OF HEARTS

                    I thought he did at least one or some GErman movies or so before that?

                    Seems like Arthur Lauber did most of DIDI DER DOPPELGANGER. That’s it.

                    #14123
                    GerateWohl
                    Deltaker

                      I was hooked by Howard Shore’s THE BROOD the first time I heard it. Solid debut.

                      And Philippe Sarde had a remarkable debut with LES CHOSES DE LA VIE.

                      Apart from that I am not very familiar with debut scores.

                      But BACK TO THE FUTURE was close being Silvestri’s debut. But it was actually his second score.

                      #14124
                      Thor Joachim Haga
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                        But BACK TO THE FUTURE was close being Silvestri’s debut. But it was actually his second score.

                        It was his 10th or so, but still an impressive early score.

                        #14126
                        KMCG
                        Deltaker

                          Discounting FORBIDDEN ZONE, which was a crazy Oingo Boingo mash up, Danny Elfman’s arrival with the Herrmann/Rota inspired PEE WEE’S BIG ADVENTURE was a wake up call we all heard back in the 80s.
                          BACK TO SCHOOL right after (and parked on the same album as PEE WEE) was also stacks of fun.
                          A bright new talent in an arena full of them at the time.

                          #14127
                          KMCG
                          Deltaker

                            And also for Tim Burton, David Newman co-composed a nice debut score with Michael Convertino, for the Burton short FRANKENWEENIE, and then delivered CRITTERS for a debut feature score, with its lovely Americana Main Theme that had me melting in the cinema.

                            #14130
                            Thor Joachim Haga
                            Nøkkelmester

                              Huh! Didn’t realize CRITTERS was Newman’s feature film debut. It’s been ages since I saw the film, and don’t remember anything of the score, but definitely a famous title to start out on (well, famous as a cult classic in retrospect, of course).

                              #14134
                              Nicolai P. Zwar
                              Deltaker

                                John Corigliano: ALTERED STATES

                                Quite an impressive first film score. Though of course Corigliano didn’t compose all that many film scores anyway.

                                #14137
                                Malte Müller
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                                  Seems like Arthur Lauber did most of DIDI DER DOPPELGANGER. That’s it.

                                  That might be it.

                                  But BACK TO THE FUTURE was close being Silvestri’s debut. But it was actually his second score.

                                  It was his 10th or so, but still an impressive early score.

                                  Only if you don’t count all the seasons of CHiPs he already did. Do we actually talk about feature movie debuts only?

                                  Huh! Didn’t realize CRITTERS was Newman’s feature film debut.

                                  Oh, I didn’t know that as well!

                                  John Corigliano: ALTERED STATES Quite an impressive first film score. Though of course Corigliano didn’t compose all that many film scores anyway.

                                  Oh, that’s a great debut for sure.

                                  #14138
                                  Malte Müller
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                                    We could count Sainton’s MOBY DICK which is also his only score as far as I know.

                                    #14139
                                    Malte Müller
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                                      Some silent scores debuts

                                      – Edmund Meisel BATTLESHIP POTEMKIN
                                      – Schostakovitch THE NEW BABYLON
                                      – Gottfried Huppertz DIE NIBELUNGEN

                                      #14142
                                      Thor Joachim Haga
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                                        Only if you don’t count all the seasons of CHiPs he already did. Do we actually talk about feature movie debuts only?

                                        Yes, only feature films, not television. But prior to BACK TO THE FUTURE, Silvestri did:

                                        THE DOBERMAN GANG (1972) — his real feature film debut, and not particularly impressive
                                        LAS VEGAS LADY (1975)
                                        THE AMAZING DOBERMANS (1976)
                                        THE FIFTH FLOOR (1978)
                                        TIGER MAN (1983)
                                        ROMANCING THE STONE (1984)
                                        PAR OÙ T’ES RENTRÉ? ON T’A PAS VU SORTIR (1984) – great score, recently released on Music Box, which I mini reviewed recently
                                        FANDANGO (1985) – premiered earlier in the year
                                        CAT’S EYES (1985) – premiered earlier in the year

                                        #14143
                                        GerateWohl
                                        Deltaker

                                          Only if you don’t count all the seasons of CHiPs he already did. Do we actually talk about feature movie debuts only?

                                          That’s what I asked myself as well. I mean, Bernard Herrmann did some radio play stuff, even together with Orson Welles before they did CITIZEN KANE. John Williams wrote the score for a short Film for the Navy during his military service and TV stuff before he did DADDY-O. What counts now as the debut?

                                          #14144
                                          Thor Joachim Haga
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                                            The debut in this case is feature films — meaning long-form fiction films for theatrical release. Not television, short films, radio or anything else.

                                            #14165
                                            Thor Joachim Haga
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                                              Funnily, I don’t think the feature film debut of my favourite composer, John Williams, is particularly impressive. DADDY-O (1958) is a very capable effort, but hardly impressive. He plays around with some Bernstein swagger in the opening credits, some perfunctory suspense, action and romance music, some jazz and rock bits, and you could argue that it’s sorta impressive for a 26-year-old (especially compared to today’s 26-year-olds in the music industry), but nothing remarkable. It doesn’t help that the film itself is a forgotten B movie, of course.

                                              Discounting FORBIDDEN ZONE, which was a crazy Oingo Boingo mash up, Danny Elfman’s arrival with the Herrmann/Rota inspired PEE WEE’S BIG ADVENTURE was a wake up call we all heard back in the 80s.

                                              I count FORBIDDEN ZONE myself, but then again I find that impressive too – especially how he mixes 30s jazz with punk and baroque music and Kurt Weill. It just happens to be a small cult niche thing.

                                              But I agree there’s a whole other topic about impressive SECOND scores. David Arnold’s STARGATE would be another. But yeah, different topic.

                                              Back to topic, I think A.R. Rahman’s ROJA (1992) is highly impressive. Even from the get-go, he had all his infectious melodies in place. It still remains one of my favourites by him.

                                              #14181
                                              KMCG
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                                                Yes. More important (or compelling) is the score that announced certain composers to us all.
                                                Two composers who did a lot of low budget and TV shows, like Bruce Broughton and Basil Poledouris, really exploded into our consciousness with SILVERADO and BIG WEDNESDAY, still possibly my two favourite scores by them respectively.

                                                #14184
                                                Thor Joachim Haga
                                                Nøkkelmester

                                                  That’s true, but I’ve always been kinda “obsessed” with debuts and beginnings. Not only for film music, but all art, really. A couple of years ago, I edited a magazine on debut films. I often find it more interesting to talk about than the established classics (which are great, but we all know them by heart). For example, trying to find the seeds that would later grow into the artist we know and love.

                                                  If I’m not mistaken, EXTREME CLOSE-UP (1973) is Poledouris’ debut feature film score (not to be confused with the Horner-scored film from 1990). Directed by Jeannot Szwarc, and based on a Michael Chrichton story. Never seen or heard it, but was this recently released on BSX? Could also be HOLLYWOOD 90028, which was completed in 1973, but released in ’76.

                                                  For Broughton, it appears to be THE PRODIGAL (1983), which I’ve also neither seen nor heard. He toiled in television for a decade until he got his first feature film gig.

                                                  #14194
                                                  Malte Müller
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                                                    Could also be HOLLYWOOD 90028, which was completed in 1973, but released in ’76.

                                                    That was released together with a bluray or something itself I think. But not by one of our usual labels like BSX (unless they had a hand in that…)

                                                    #14207
                                                    KMCG
                                                    Deltaker

                                                      Yes, Hollywood 90028 score CD was released with the Blu-ray of the film.
                                                      I don’t think Extreme Close Up has been released on CD?

                                                      #14277
                                                      Thor Joachim Haga
                                                      Nøkkelmester

                                                        I was thinking maybe on some of those BSX Poledouris compilation thingies. But perhaps not. Or perhaps I was thinking of the Horner.

                                                        #14280
                                                        KMCG
                                                        Deltaker

                                                          I’d have to double check to see if it cropped up on the 4 volumes BSX released, but I’m pretty sure it didn’t.
                                                          Yes, the Horner TV movie score of the same name did get a CD release, via Intrada. The Horner is quite low key/atmospheric, but nice enough.

                                                          #14366
                                                          Thor Joachim Haga
                                                          Nøkkelmester

                                                            Cliff Eidelman’s feature film debut MAGDALENE (1988) is mightily impressive. I can easily understand why he quickly became sought-after, and was chosen to do the new STAR TREK film at the time.

                                                            #14618
                                                            Thor Joachim Haga
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                                                              Clint Mansell’s PI (1998) for Darren Aronofsky is another impressive debut. In fact, it still remains one of my favourite Mansell scores. Moody, ethereal, edgy, it’s got it all.

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