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So what do you think about it? I generally like Tiomkin a lot but this was not a top priority one actually. I do understand that the name “Hitchcock” attached might be helpful for promotion. Sadly – well, my budget likes it generally 🙂 – I won’t be able to contribute since Kickstarter offers no payment way I can use.
Here’s the campaign, for those not in the know: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129145902/dial-m-for-murder-film-score-recording?ref=created_projects
Tiomkin and/or DIAL M FOR MURDER is fine, but not really something I crave or have any particular desire to contribute towards. If, however, someone decides to release anything COMPLETELY unreleased that I want, I’d consider contributing — stuff like STORY OF A WOMAN (Williams), ALCOA PREMIERE THEATRE (Williams), TOP GUN, SCARFACE. Anything unreleased by Elfman and Goldenthal. But I doubt that’s ever going to happen.
DIAL M FOR MURDER probably can be seen as unreleased in general. But I also prefer completely unreleased things. Sadly it’s a business and they have to do what actually sells. The two Williams would be nice (the song to STORY is quite unusual Williams I think) and ALOCA would make a good compilation, all the main titles alone. TOP GUN and SCARFACE had sort of releases, don’t they?
True. I meant score-only releases in those cases. Same with FLETCH. It’s getting a reissue soon, but it’s just the songtrack. Not a score-only, alas.
It is interesting to see how Kickstarter campaigns have developed in the intervening years since this topic started.
I think the debacle of the Jerry Goldsmith books and its Kickstarter campaign has severely dented confidence. But, I think that they are a good way of helping projects along to fruition. (I am a contributor to the Goldsmith books thing but it hasn’t put me off Kickstarter.)
A lot of people want something in return when the contribute money to a Kickstarter rather than providing funds to help a project get off the ground. For me, there’s a couple of Kickstarter projects I supported but, in the end, didn’t really enjoy the end results. But I am still glad that I contributed to it so that the project happened. I didn’t demand my money back.
Yes, the Goldsmith book and the Young/NOSFERATU project all got into trouble. The former moreso than the latter.
Fortunately for me, I never had the money to partake anyway, but I feel bad for those who did. I see now that Lukas wants to Kickstart a new FSM page as well.
I couldn’t understand the problem with the Nosferatu release. People would get their copy when it was sent out. Who cares if it’s after the people who bought it via general sale.
The whole point of supporting it was to ensure its release and not to get a copy before anyone else!
I think it was mostly people in Canada not getting their CD(?), but I think it’s slowly starting to arrive there now too.
Like you, I always also thought it was supporting the project that mattered, not that you would get the product before anyone else.
I took part the Nosferatu one and being in Germany did get the CD right to the New Year. A bit nuts it was primarily because I literally paid double for the CD including postage and custom that even was produce in Germany…
It didn’t really put me off of Kickstarters and I did took part in Leigh Philips Goldsmith ones, too. I might not choose the physical CD anymore though…
Like you, I always also thought it was supporting the project that mattered, not that you would get the product before anyone else.
Yes, generally I agree as well. But it is by now expected “common best pratice” that you get a “benefit” by supporting it.
Malte, I agree that there is an expectation to receive a benefit. Incentives certainly attract donations, perhaps more money from people who want a particular perk.
With me saying that it’s the donation that truly matters, this viewpoint of mine would be severely tested if a project that I am very passionate about and would donate thousands (I can dream!) but the perk for thousands of dollars/euros/pounds came with an invite to recording sessions in the US that I couldn’t possibly attend!
And now there’s a new one featuring Goldsmith’s THE CHAIRMAN. Will be interesting to see how that progresses.
Apparently, there are loads of “extras” on the CHAIRMAN set, which is now live:
I would definitely have contributed if I’d had any money, but I don’t. Be that as it may, it’s moving pretty impressively. Almost 50% already, and it’s barely been a day.
I will probably will contribute for the digital only tier. Would love the actual CD but 50+% because of insane shipping and custom taxes I cannot justify…
I just got my CD from Leigh Phillips’ CRAWLSPACE/PURSUIT kickstarter. Despite the huge shipping costs, custom was just 2,16 Euro but DHL has put 7,50 Euros service fee on top! Well, and I didn’t learn from NOSFERATU and again choose the CD for CHAIRMAN (Thought was if I contribute to it I want the “real thing”). All good things come in threes 😉
According to my records:
37,85 Euros CD + shipping
2,16 Euros Customs
7,50 Euros DHL service fee
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47,51 EurosEven given that the regular CD for the Abbott & Costello kickstarter costs expensive 36,95 Euros at Soundtrack Corner the actual price is “okay”, it’s the customs + especially DHL that push this beyond.
NOSFERATU actually was way more off:
47,16 Euros (2CD + Shipping)
3,60 Euros Customs
6,00 Euros DHL Service fee
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53,76 EurosGiven that you regulary could buy the CD for under 20,– that’s really off…
Hey, James, if you’re reading — I see you’re also doing a fundraiser for your own site. Was it spurred by the FSM campaign?
I was a bit surprised that SSL certificates specifially are named as the reason. His site is a commercially hosted WordPress on wordpress.com (as opposed to ours being self-hosted) as I just saw and actually they provide the free Let’s Encrypt SSL certificates as any other standard host does. 200 pound (aroud 230 euros) for yearly hosting is quite steep. But might be a local thing… I actually pay less for two packages over here.
There’s a new Kickstarter happening next year, I see, for Walter Schumann’s NIGHT OF THE HUNTER. I’ve heard so much buzz for this film and score over the years, especially on FSM (and Preston Neal Jones’ book), but embarassingly, I’ve never actually seen it, or – I think – heard a note of the score. What about you?
I saw it but it has beenn a while. I remember good blackwhite shots and Robert Mitchum as a good villain (I think he rarley played that). I have to admit I had not much memory of the score itself. But the Youtube teaser sounds nice, a bit like Herrmann.
The new kickstarter for NIGHT OF THE HUNTER is up:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129145902/night-of-the-hunter-soundtrack-recording-projectProbably will participate but only the digital version this time. Thte shipping is even more than the CD tier itself… Nuts.
Any one else participating?
I can’t see any information on shipping, other than that it’s’ free for US-based pledgers? But yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if overseas shipping is even more expensive than the pledge. Shipping is into science fiction territory these days.
Alas, I won’t be participating in this, or any other Kickstarter, as I do not have the funds. The only possible exception would be if it were an unreleased John Williams score, like STORY OF A WOMAN, and even then I would need to make some serious considerations.
But I wish it all the best! As I have zero relationship to this film and score, I’m looking forward to hearing the end results. It seems to be off to a great start, almost $15.000 already, out of its $65.000 goal (which sounds crazy high, but I suppose that’s the name of the game these days)!
I can’t see any information on shipping, other than that it’s’ free for US-based pledgers?
You have to click on the button to contribute and then you get a country selector that lists the shipping costs for it.
As mention I have seen the movie but don’t have that deep releation to it, too. But that main title is quite nice. And I like to support such rather rare new recordings as long as they are made at all…
Alas, I won’t be participating in this, or any other Kickstarter, as I do not have the funds. The only possible exception would be if it were an unreleased John Williams score, like STORY OF A WOMAN, and even then I would need to make some serious considerations.
That I would as well and then probably even the CD. The song out there is nice. I have to admit I sometimes struggle with some early WIlliams. NONE BUT THE BRAVE for example never really klicked with me.
$65.000 goal (which sounds crazy high, but I suppose that’s the name of the game these days)!
Yeah, but given lots of people are involved who all have to make a living… And probably the rights are not that cheap as well…
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