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  • #5063
    GerateWohl
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    I must confess, I know about half of nothing about italian film music.
    Of course I know some stuff of Ennio Morricone and Nino Rota. And of course there are the Goblin works for Argento.

    But I always see that great amount of scores from Italian movies from the 70s and 80s in the soundtrack online stores (comedy, horror, sex, thriller), that I think, this seems to be a thing among various soundtrack fans. But I know none of them.

    Anyone here into this?

    #5064
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

    I also only know bits and pieces here and there. Lots via compilations by various composers of mostly the easy listening groovy ones. I have some compilation Franco Miccalizzi did with his band primarily from the Italian police movies. Great groovy fun. Or bits of various westerns.
    Often lack the connection to the movies itself a bit although I surely saw lots of those adventure ones in my youth.

    #5065

    I can’t keep up with the deep knowledge of Italo buffs at FSM, for example, but I’ve started to explore some of it in recent years. Piccioni, Ortolani, Cipriani, Trovajoli, de Masi etc. etc. A lot of good stuff, but also a rabbit hole to get lost in once you start. I think I just have to accept that I will never be an expert, and just be content with having skimmed the surface and selected some favourites from these.

    #5066
    GerateWohl
    Participant

    Yeah, in a way I find it fascinating that there exists this seemingly popular parallel soundtrack world.
    But my memory of the italian genre movies that I have seen (especially comedy and horror) is, that there is not much in for fans of symphonic movie scores like me. It is more that easy listening genre, like also 80% of Morricone’s scores.

    Interesting enough, that often music of composers who at their time often worked in kind of a pop ensemble format like Ennio Morricone, Nino Rota or also Astor Piazolla (I know, he’s Argentinian) are today a prefered source for orchestral or classical chamber arrangements of their music.

    #5067

    I wouldn’t say it’s all ‘easy listening’. Some of the most harrowing, dissonant works are in the ‘giallo’ genre, for example. When I picked out my favourites from (some of) these composers it’s true that they were either lyrical/wistful orchestral music, or loungey/funky stuff, because that’s my taste, but along the way I encountered a bunch of different things, from big orchestral affairs (peplum movies!) to dark, dissonant experimentalism.

    I think it’s just the “colourful genre”/niche-within-niche thing that attracts so many fans, with that kind of deep, super-detailed knowledge you see on FSM.

    #5068
    Sigbjørn
    Participant

    John Williams’ Monsignor is decent. 😉

    #5069
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

    There are actually lots of Italian pirate, Roman sword and sandal and other adventure movies at least in the 50s and 60s that have rather traditional symphonic scores. For example these Ursus, Hercules, Samson or Maciste movies. Sadly not familar with these but the Alhambra label release some of these scores by Lavagino I think.

    #5070
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

    Ah, the sword and sandal ones are also called Peplum films which I forgot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword-and-sandal

    #5071
    Nicolai P. Zwar
    Participant

    There’s certainly a lot more than easy listening to Morricone’s Italian scores, in fact, I find Morricone wrote some of his most challenging scores for Italian horror/giallo/crime genre. But it’s usually also often not sweeping or symphonic but more experimental, perhaps inspired by his work with the “Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza”.

    Of course, asides from Morricone, I know other Italian film composers, and have albums by such composers as Pino Donaggio, Nino Rota, Riz Ortolani, Mario Nascimbene, Dario Marianelli, Giorgio Moroder, Guido & Maurizio De Angelis (aka Oliver Onions)… and some more, but I’m sure not an expert.

    #5072
    GerateWohl
    Participant

    For me Dario Marianelli does not really count into that group of composers for italian movies. To be honest, I am not aware on any italian movie that he wrote the score for. Did he actually?

    #5073

    For me Dario Marianelli does not really count into that group of composers for italian movies. To be honest, I am not aware on any italian movie that he wrote the score for. Did he actually?

    Yes, but in later years. I think he moved to London early on, like Zimmer, so he didn’t start out in Italian cinema.

    Let’s share some concrete recommendations.

    Carlo Siliotto:

    TEQUILA
    MIRACLES FROM HEAVEN

    Francesco de Masi:

    ARIZONA COLT
    UNA HISTORIA D’AMORE
    LESBO
    LONE WOLF MCQUADE

    Marco Werba: IL DIARIO DI UN PRETE

    Pericle Odierna:

    IL LEONE DI VETRO
    PICCIRIDA

    Piero Piccioni:

    BORA BORA
    LE MONACHE DI SANT’ARCANGELO
    STORIA DI UNA MONACA DI CLAUSURA

    Pino Donaggio:

    CARRIE
    DRESSED TO KILL
    MORTE IN VATICANO
    DON CAMILLO
    L’ATTENZIONE
    HOTEL COLONIAL
    LA MONACA DI MONZA
    COSI FAN TUTTE
    ANTONIO – GUERRIERO DI DIO
    JOE PETROSINO
    L’UOMO DI CHE CAVALCAVA DEL BUIO

    Riz Ortolani:

    FRATELLO SOLE, SORELLA LUNA
    FANTASMA D’AMORE
    LA RIVINCITA DI NATELE

    Stefano Caprioli:

    LA FRECCIA NERA
    FURORE
    IL SEGRETO DI BORGO LARICI

    Stelvio Cipriani:

    FEMINA RIDENS
    ANONIMO VENEZIANIO
    IL GIARDINO DELL’EDEN
    ORGASMO NERO

    Newer scores:

    Francesco Marchetti: THE GARBAGE MAN
    Francesco Cerati: VILLETA CON OSPITI
    Gabriele Roberti: JULIAN SCHNABEL: A PRIVATE PORTRAIT
    Giulani Taviani & Carmelo Travia: L’UOMO CHE DISEGNÓ DIO
    Marco Pedrazzi: L’ORO DEL RENO

    Giorgio Moroder is a chapter in himself; one of my favourite composers. Same for Morricone. Never been a big fan of Nino Rota, but I like a few of his things. Goblin, I primarily like SUSPIRIA and the odd theme here and there. I have a soft spot for the scores of Italian neo-realism, plus Michelangelo Antonioni, who is one of my favourite directors (Gaslini, Fusco etc.).

    Sorry, that was a longer post than I had anticipated.

    #5074
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

    A few quick by me that should be generally orchestral:

    Carlo Siliotti THE PUNISHER
    Carlo Siliotti JULIUS CAESAR
    Carlo Siliotti NOMAD THE WARRIOR
    Franco Piersanti IL COMMISSARIO MONTALBANO (ok, actually more chamberlike)
    Francesco de Masi’s THUNDER (have it as LP) / THUNDER 3 (bascially italo western scores so only partly orchestral)
    Piero Piccioni ROMULUS & REMUS
    Nino Rota GATTOPARD
    Marco Frisina Tristano e Isotta
    Marco Frisina Michele Strogoff, il corriere dello Zar

    #5075
    GerateWohl
    Participant

    Thank you for the recomendations.
    Something to discover. 🙂

    #5076
    Nicolai P. Zwar
    Participant

    I admit, when I read “Italian Soundtracks”, I tend to go by composer, but of course Italians have written music for non-Italian movies, and non-Italians have written music for Italian movies. (I usually go by composer, but of course, that’s but one option.)

    #5077
    GerateWohl
    Participant

    I admit, when I read “Italian Soundtracks”, I tend to go by composer, but of course Italians have written music for non-Italian movies, and non-Italians have written music for Italian movies. (I usually go by composer, but of course, that’s but one option.)

    I agree, that’s a plausible way to look at it.
    By the way, stylistically I find Marianelli’s most italian score is The Boxtrolls, which is one of my favourites of his.

    #6124

    Italian film music isn’t what it used to, but Pericle Odierna is a new, interesting voice. This work, from 2014, is relatively obscure (I had to upload the cover image myself!), but combines post-minimalist romanticism with some period tropes. I also recommend PICCIRIDDA from 2020, which should be easier to come by online.

    #6127
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

    Never heard of him before, will check some things out. Being born 1965 not exactly “fresh new” seen from our age 🙂

    #6128

    True, but he was born right when the “classic” Italians were big.

    #6340

    I’ve now reached Piero Piccioni (1921-2004) in my collection walkthrough, and I realize that several of the Piccioni scores I own could have fit perfectly in other threads. BORA BORA (1968) goes in the erotica thread. Both LE MONACHE DI SANT’ARCANGELO (1973) and STORIA DI UNA MONACA DI CLAUSURA (1973) are nunsploitation films and could thus have been put BOTH in the erotica thread AND in the religious thread. But I’m “spending them” in this thread, because we need more discussion on Italian film music. Or Piccioni, for that matter. He should probably get his own thread at some point.

    Of the three I mentioned, LE MONACHE DI SANT’ARCANGELO is my favourite; in fact it’s my favourite Piccioni score with those gobsmackingly beautiful madrigals:

    #6342

    … nunsploitation films …

    Umm.. this is a thing?? As they say in Sweden: “Det finns mycket”.

    But the term itself creates some images in my head, so I think I get the idea. 😉

    #6343

    It is, yes. An amusing sub genre.

    #6345
    Sigbjørn
    Participant

    Sounds quite orthodox…

    #6346

    It’s also a genre that isn’t quite dead yet. Paul Verhoeven’s BENEDETTA (2021) falls into this genre, and it was my favourite film that year. Anne Dudley’s score was also my favourite of the year! Nunsploitation for the win!

    #6837

    I mentioned this earlier (in fact, I mentioned most of my Italian soundtracks earlier), but it’s really worth checking out if you like those broad, pastoral, romantic-orchestral affairs. Zeffirelli always managed to get that sound out of the composers he worked with – with Rota’s ROMEO & JULIET primary among them, perhaps. I only have three Ortolani soundtracks (FANTASMA D’AMORE, LA RIVINCITA DI NATALE and this), and would really love to get more recommendations, if you have any.

    #7297

    As I said earlier in the thread, Italian film music isn’t what it used to be, but for some reason, the type of consonant orchestral writing that was more common 30 years ago, still persists with surprising frequency over there, compared to other European countries. 63-year-old Stefano Caprioli is one such example, just like Pericle Odierna above. Currently listening to his wonderful, romantic LA FRECCIA NERA (2006) — “spotified” below — but there’s also the two TV series FURORE and I SEGRETI DI BORGO LARICI from 2014 that I think are really good.

    I suppose there’s hope yet for Italian film music, although they will probably never reach the glory days of the 50s to the 80s once more. I sometimes wonder what happened.

    #8565

    Alhambra is releasing A.F. Lavagnino’s peplum(?) score to BEATRICE CENCI (1969). It reminds me that I have very little Lavagnino in my collection. Nothing, in fact, when I search my iTunes. Any recommendations?

    #8580
    Malte Müller
    Keymaster

    For me also a widely blank page although I surely saw several westerns or these 60s peplum movies he scored (For sure some Ursus/Hercules). I only have this album from somewhere digitally:
    https://www.discogs.com/de/release/11046360-Angelo-Francesco-Lavagnino-Le-Sp%C3%A9cialiste-Gli-Specialisti-et-autres-westerns-dAngelo-Francesco-Lava
    It’s naturally in the big footsteps of Morricone but quite nice.

    #8588

    Who WASN’T following in Morricone’s footsteps at that time? But thanks for the recommendation, I’ve heard about GLI SPECIALISTI – vaguely.

    Dr. Jacoby would KILL in this thread. Shame he doesn’t post more often.

    #8672
    slint
    Participant

    I don’t post often (and even less when there are no new CD releases) but A F Lavagnino is a favourite so very happy with BEATRICE CENCI (1969). It is not a Peplum.

    As for suggestions, A F Lavagnino has a vast body of work. He was really a Golden Age composer so I would say the older the better, generally, although few of his scores from the 1950s are on CD, hence I would recommend those from 1958-1963. Most of his westerns or later scores were low budget, so the scores are a bit more limited in terms of themes and size of orchestra.

    #8675

    Good to hear from you, slint. Do you have 2-3 Lavagnino titles you would recommend from that period?

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