Let’s talk collections and listening habits!
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Yes, there are obviously thousands of sub genres one could add, all the way down to Dr. Jacoby’s “Post-JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR jazz rock scores”. đ
But for the time being, my memory will suffice.
Not thousands but a few more. I just looked and I use besides the one I noted
– Soundtrack – Groovy
– Soundtrack – Silent Movies (a subset yesâŠâŠâŠâŠâŠ)
– Soundtrack – Jazz: Forgot I did use that, but the Checkmate album with Shelly Man is realy jazz but also kind of soundtrackâŠAnway, as noted, I have to clean up as I was not aware what weird geners the system has. I have some dynamic playlists based on tags so I didn’t really notice. The larger all gets the more you loose oversight I guess đ
The larger all gets the more you loose oversight I guess đ
That’s what I knew and thought from the beginning, which is why I had a plan and didn’t loose oversight. đ
I didn’t mean more sub-genres though, obviously, that is easily done, but my aim is not to divide general genres into more sub-genres. What I would like to do is to assign multiple genres to a track/album.
Thatâs what I knew and thought from the beginning, which is why I had a plan and didnât loose oversight. đ
Well, it grew faster than my plans đ
I didnât mean more sub-genres though, obviously, that is easily done, but my aim is not to divide general genres into more sub-genres. What I would like to do is to assign multiple genres to a track/album.
I do not really tag titles individually, but multiple genres in general would just be nice on some occasions.
I do not really tag titles individually, but multiple genres in general would just be nice on some occasions.
By and large, I accept the title tags the various tools grab, sometimes I batch edit titles to be more consistent. However, I do tag even the individual title tags with the correct recording year, which means if there is a soundtrack from 1976, which contains a source song from 1941, I tag that song with 1941. (Also with the correct performers/composers.)
Also, I do tag dialog or sound-effect tracks appropriately.So this is how THE HATEFUL EIGHT tagging looks in my collection:
The individual title tags are scraped from whatever database or CD-text, I don’t know, but the dialog sequences have the genre “Books & Spoken” (which is a pre-set iTunes genre), the music is “Soundtrack” (which is actually a genre I think I’m phasing out). However, since I use two genres on this album, on practically all of the devices I use to actually listen to the album, I can just decide whether or not dialog sequences are played, so it gives me both options. I also could theoretically filter for “Kurt Russel” and hear all the dialog sequences on all of the soundtracks where he is involved. That’s what I want.
By and large, I accept the title tags the various tools grab, sometimes I batch edit titles to be more consistent. However, I do tag even the individual title tags with the correct recording year, which means if there is a soundtrack from 1976, which contains a source song from 1941, I tag that song with 1941. (Also with the correct performers/composers.)
Oh, indeed, performer and year I also tag on compilations but not genre. Here the album genre (and my lazyness ;-)) wins, e.g. all tracks on a song soundtrack compilation with just two score tracks will still all be “soundtrack”.
Yes, it will all be ‘soundtrack’. Also, I can’t separate out ‘performer’ as someone other than the main composer of the film, even if the track in question is not by him/her. Otherwise, iTunes splits the album up in pieces. I view it by “albums”, and albums are all sorted by “album artist”. So that means that songs or tracks NOT by the composer on the album will also have the composer named (to use Nick’s example above, the Roy Orbison song will in my case be attributed to Ennio Morricone). It’s wrong, of course, but it keeps the neatness and tidiness of the way I use iTunes. I might, instead, denote the actual artist in the track name.
Well, the “album artist” tag is obviously Ennio Morricone, which keeps the album together, in iTunes and in all other systems I use. Individual artist/composer tags can differ, so I always assign them correctly. That’s actually the reason there’s an “artist” and a separate “album artist” tag in the first place, and all players, renderers, and software I’ve used interpret these fields as intended. “Album Artist” is for albums, “Artist” is for tracks.
As we discussed proper tagging is so important:
https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/interpreter/john-williams/2101
Of course as usual the guitarist and even some unknown folk musician are also listed đYes, proper tagging is indeed very important.
But sometimes, tags get mismatched.
https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/interpreter/john-williams-10/13161796
It seems, the two John Williams’ are generally separated, but sometimes, they get mixed up.
And sometimes one John Williams performs music composed by the other John Williams. đ
As I said, what kind of tagging system does the job for you may depend on your needs. Many people with a few hundred pop songs on their MP3 player may do just fine with TITLE and ARTIST, it’s all they need. Some people don’t even need ALBUM. But you can’t manage a larger music collection like that, especially not a larger classical music collection.
It depends largely on what type of music listener you are. The majority will not care. It’s not that most don’t buy physical media they also don’t buy downloads. So they don’t tag anyway. That only something for rather “music crazy” people like us đ
And sometimes one John Williams performs music composed by the other John Williams. đ
The guitarist did never play anything by our John Williams, did he?
Oh, he sure did.
Yeah, I had that JOHN WILLIAMS PLAYS THE MOVIES CD years ago. Don’t know what happened to it. I believe it’s the only instance of guitarist JW doing composer JW, but there might be others I’m forgetting. Shame composer JW didn’t use guitarist JW for STEPMOM, or the guitar concerto “Rounds”.
It depends largely on what type of music listener you are. The majority will not care. Itâs not that most donât buy physical media they also donât buy downloads. So they donât tag anyway. That only something for rather âmusic crazyâ people like us đ
That’s indeed so. In fact, the market for music digital downloads is even smaller than the market for physical media. People either buy LPs/CDs, or they don’t buy music at all. Digital downloads is a very narrow niche. And even though I personally love digital downloads, I can understand why it’s not more widespread.
There are those who love physical media, like LPs and CDs, they want something in their hands, in their shelf, they enjoy nice booklets and presentation. Obviously, only physical media can give that experience.But for those who don’t need physical media, it’s hard to see why they should need digital downloads. They spend their monthly fee on a music service that provides them with millions of titles anywhere and on any system. Most “mainstream” albums are there. Sure, specialty collectors like us know not all albums are there, but many are.
So why would they buy an album. Most people are not set up to play their own music anymore, they are set up for streaming and even if there might be a few albums only available on CD (or download), most people are probably not set up to rip and/or play them.
So unless you already have a large music collection (as I’m sure most of us here have) that you have transferred to digital (in which case, chances are, you’re also set up to somehow play those files and could therefore easily add digital downloads), you are probably not set up (anymore) to play your own music (files) at all.
Yeah, I had that JOHN WILLIAMS PLAYS THE MOVIES CD years ago. Donât know what happened to it
I never had that happen, ever… that I had a CD once, but not anymore, without knowing what happened to it.
I mean, it’s probably a sale or trade, but literally hundreds of CDs have left my collection over the years (many of which I regret, some I don’t), so haven’t kept track of all their fates.
Most people are not set up to play their own music anymore,
I find that so sad to read. Not for them, I guess, but for me.
JOHN WILLIAMS PLAYS THE MOVIES CD
Ah, cool, didn’t know that one. How great would have been a guitar concerto from Wiliams for Williams!
Most people are not set up to play their own music anymore, they are set up for streaming and even if there might be a few albums only available on CD (or download), most people are probably not set up to rip and/or play them.
Indeed, most computers don’t have a CD/DVD devide anymore – I had to buy an external one for my new computer, too. A mobile and some bluetooth speaker – which can really sound surprisingly good by now – will do for most nowdays. And without a speciality taste like we they won’t even care that some albums may not be available or disappear over time. I know even some that prefer music in concert as the real thing instead of listening to recorded music.
Files are complicated, you have to backup and such which “normal people” always forget anyway đ
A question: Are any of you a completist of any composer or artist?
I think I have ~107% of Goldsmith’s output. It’s an occupational thing. Given the many things affecting availability these days, such as whether a work was ever released, whether it’s still available, whether the release was complete itself and so on, I think you could think of yourself as a completist if everything from a certain composer is an automatic buy, heard or blind. That makes me a Goldsmith and Williams completist, though only with Goldsmith am I a successful completist, I guess. Oh, and The Beatles. I’m good with them, too.
when John David Towner Williams turned 88 five years ago
Where did that ‘David’ come from? I didn’t know that was there.
…that makes me a little happy.
â have to get nother harddisc â
Probably get it now. Hard drives are going to escalate in price, as the (global!) supply of one of the chips they need has been gobbled up by data centers built for the AI competitors.
I mean, itâs probably a sale or trade, but literally hundreds of CDs have left my collection over the years (many of which I regret, some I donât), so havenât kept track of all their fates.
Interesting. I probably have given away fewer and traded fewer CDs than you have. And I have this curious thing where I remember most (not all) of my CD purchases/trades…
Like, I remember that I traded a copy of Jerry Goldsmith’s TWILIGHT ZONE – THE MOVIE for a copy of James Horner’s DEEP IMPACT with you, even though that was a quarter of a century ago. đ
Probably get it now. Hard drives are going to escalate in price, as the (global!) supply of one of the chips they need has been gobbled up by data centers built for the AI competitors.
Yes, primarily the large ones and SSDs I think and I read their stock is already gone.
Ah, cool, didnât know that one. How great would have been a guitar concerto from Wiliams for Williams!
Could still happen!
But yeah, would have been great.
Like, I remember that I traded a copy of Jerry Goldsmithâs TWILIGHT ZONE â THE MOVIE for a copy of James Hornerâs DEEP IMPACT with you, even though that was a quarter of a century ago.
That’s impressive, had completely forgotten about that. It will comfort you to know that TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE is still in my collection, although I do miss DEEP IMPACT.
Hi.
I was first an LP man, then a CD man, and now a high-res digital man. I ripped my collection of CDs and then bought individual downloads to get 24 bit albums. That’s when Qobuz came out with a great collection of 24 bit titles and I succumbed to buying a subscription. Now I can pretty much get everything through Qobuz which is a lot cheaper!
I listen on a Linn Akurate system, which is lovely.
I delve into a bit of pop-rock nostalgia every once in a while, but otherwise I’m increasingly a “classical” and “soundtrack” man. As an amateur composer of soundtracks and stuff myself, I sometimes listen to what I’m writing through headphones, but otherwise it’s only B&W for me!
As an amateur composer of soundtracks and stuff myself,
Cool, maybe post something on this topic!: https://celluloidtunes.no/forums/topic/have-you-ever-composed-any-music/
Envious of your Linn Akurate system, Mark. I also like that it sits in their range between Majik and Klimax, but thatâs just me.
Aha, Malte nice idea, don’t mind if I do! If anyone is interested to take my stuff for a spin, you can some of it here and other places
https://music.apple.com/no/artist/mark-burgess/68272771
YouTube etcI’m particularly glad to be finished with Slogans Parts 1 and 2 (the “audiobook” dramatization of a near future dystopian scifi story, if there are any scifi fans :)). For some reason Apple only has part 1. I have a special 2026 edition of Fragile Earth coming out for Sir David Attenborough’s 100 birthday (crossing fingers that the publishing schedules cooperate). I’d love to know what people think.
Tall Guy, I am also happy with my Akurate. I chose it over the Klimax in a blind test listening to orchestra music. Every single day it makes me happy!
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