Quincy Jones
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I’m on a break from JWFAN, but feel free to post it there (with a link to this thread, of course), and let the mayhem commence! 🙂
Well, it’s not a voluntary break, really; it’s a hearing issue that keeps me “locked” to this forum alone. Might be a couple of years until I return to JWFAN in full, if I return at all. But I lurk there now and then…wasn’t there a thread called “John Williams plagiarism” or some such thing, where this issue could be brought up? I seem to vaguely recall one.
By the way, I don’t think it’s an issue of plagiarism myself. Just a weird coincidence. But I’m sure it would ignite some discussion.
Yes, found it. Here it is.
By the way, I don’t think it’s an issue of plagiarism myself. Just a weird coincidence. But I’m sure it would ignite some discussion.
Friends don’t steal from eachother. They borrow.
And in a way Williams gave it back when he removed Yup-Nup from the Special Edition.On to THE LOST MAN (1969) now, and am I crazy or does the main title remind you of John Williams’ “Yub Nub”/”Celebrate the Love” ewok music from RETURN OF THE JEDI a little bit?
Ha! It sure does! Whether it’s an “inspiration” or coincidence is hard to say. To me they sound close enough that it could actually be the former.
I don’t have a lot of Grusin albums, but I got some of those that FSM released back in the day: THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR, THE YAKUZA, and the I, SPY TV scores (two releases, one single CD and one 2CD). I don’t remember much of THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR, but the two others have a lot of his very listenable, smooth fusion style, with YAKUZA being my favorite. One disc of FSMs “TV OMNIBUS” release has Grusin’s TV scores for ASSIGNMENT: VIENNA, which is also good.
Hehe. We need to do a Grusin thread at some point, though. Maybe you were thinking of the Grusin/HOOK connection since we were talking about Williams doing sound—a-likes… 🙂
Yes, possibly. But not only did I mix Jones with Grusin, I also mixed Grusin with Earle Hagen for I, SPY! 😀
(They’re next to each other on my CD shelf, and are quite similar in style, so I guess that’s my excuse for that. 😉 )Wow, although I know Jones’ LOST MAN score actually I somehow never realized the similarities somehow… Plagiarism is really a hard word because for me that is on purpose labeling someone else’s work as your. I know there is a legal difference though.
Williams like we probably did hear so many music that you don’t always know where you heard something or if you unconsciously adapted something you heard years ago. Although LOST MAN was released on LP back then, it all was not that available or present like nowadays. I don’t think Williams back then needed to “steal” something to get his work done. Could also have been a fun inspiration/nod to Jones since they both knew each other well. Or maybe even a temp track maybe. Williams will know be we probably will ever know for sure.
On many pop genres the line between inspiration, plagiarism or just overall genre styles that “always sound similar” is a reall thin line as well.
Friends don’t steal from eachother. They borrow.
Good artists copy, great artists steal. 😉
And in a way Williams gave it back when he removed Yup-Nup from the Special Edition.
I was wondering if this could be a reason he came back and updated the music for the SE.
By the way, I don’t think it’s an issue of plagiarism myself. Just a weird coincidence.
I bet the scene in question was at least partially temp tracked with this.
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