Malte Müller
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I once had the CD to THE NATURAL but for reason I don’t know I sold it once but regret it. I like his Pixar scores like A BUG’S LIFE, the TOY STORIES, CARS, MONSTER INC and of course the great (first) theme song to the tv show MONK. I never explored his song work outside films.
Didn’t he have (a little bit like Alan Menken) a reputation of rather being a songwriter than a composer?
Yes, I think he had one as a good theme/melody writer and lots of those ended up as film songs.
I also have that rerecording of The Uninvited. Didn’t do that much for me.
Yes, for me too. Been a while I listened to the album but I think I liked the other scores more.
But I am a fan of his Scaramouche suite on that swashbuckling Captain Blood album conducted by Richard Kaufman.
Overall one of my favourite Golden Age albums.That’s a good suite.
You named a lot of the scores I would also list. I would add the western scores RIO GRANDE, JOHNMY GUITAR and SHANE. Although I prefern Tiomkins western scores in general of that era.
I never subscribed to the German split between E-Musik and U-Musik. Not in school, not now. It’s bollocks really.
First, the terms are misleading. Is all E-Musik “serious” and not entertaining? Is all U-Musik entertaining but not serious? That’s ridiculous.Fully agree, I never liked those terms, too. There is sort of good or bad work. Sometimes that judgement may depend on what it was made for or my current scope of knowledge as already discussed above.
These puns are fun 😉 I am guilty of using that term often in the meaning of “guilty pleasure”. Or for “minor” scores of a composer that already has better or more original masterpiece scores in his ouvre.
Yes, `gebrauchsmusik’ (meaning “applied music”) in contrary to “absolute music” (meaing the “concert” or “art music”) are also commonly used terms. Although “Gebrauchsmusik” as “U-Musik” has a strong lower rank connotation to it.
Perhaps we should have a separate off topic forum unless we are starting to discuss sports music themes 😉
Okay if no one dares, I expose myself as someone who fits into the “no sports” cliche 😉 I do watch Soccer championships sometimes a little on occasion if Germany is in the finals. Or peek into Olympics. But I hardly manage it completely 😉
It’s much closer to pop music than art, but it works in the film.
In German we often use the terms “E-Musik” (E is short for “ernst” so this stands for “serious music”) and “U-Musik” (U is short for “Unterhaltung” so this stands for “Entertainment music”) I personally like those or really divide between “pop” and “art” music rather than of course subjectively good or bad. Which as mentioned above does sometimes result of knowing a bit about what else is out there already.
Cinema Septet I missed back then. Since that’s long out of print I think BSX is basically re-issuing. THE TOWER I have as well but I haven’t listened to it in ages and don’t remember how it is. Never really disliked any Young though.
I recently listend to another early Young compilation:
https://www.discogs.com/release/2529918-Christopher-Young-Def-Con-4-Original-Motion-Picture-SoundtrackRanges from Goldsmith like (DEF CON 4) some action stuff that reminds me a bit of Horner’s 48 HOURS (AVENGING ANGEL) some light Jazz (TELEPHONE) to atonal (TORMENT). Remember I bought that one probably in the late 90s for a few euros (back then even “Mark”) 2nd hand.
I am also not a film collector. I did record to VHS back in the 90s but primarily when I couldn’t watch something on linear TV. I do have a DVD player I hardly use and I don’t have and never had a Bluray player at all. I basically have no DVDs but occasionally borrow some from thte library. I mostly stream nowdays, eithter via public broadcaster mediatheks or Netflix.
For me the reason is somehow that re-liste to music more often – even the many you listen far too less often – than I re-watch a movie. Of course there are favorites I do an have watched several times but they are always shown somewhere like ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST which I watched some weeks ago again. More than once a year is enough and there is so much stuff I haven’t watched at all.
Also if I watch films I don’t really do anything else sideways which I certainly often do when listening to music. Like working or else. Although I like to listen to music without doing that. But time……
Wow, although I know Jones’ LOST MAN score actually I somehow never realized the similarities somehow… Plagiarism is really a hard word because for me that is on purpose labeling someone else’s work as your. I know there is a legal difference though.
Williams like we probably did hear so many music that you don’t always know where you heard something or if you unconsciously adapted something you heard years ago. Although LOST MAN was released on LP back then, it all was not that available or present like nowadays. I don’t think Williams back then needed to “steal” something to get his work done. Could also have been a fun inspiration/nod to Jones since they both knew each other well. Or maybe even a temp track maybe. Williams will know be we probably will ever know for sure.
On many pop genres the line between inspiration, plagiarism or just overall genre styles that “always sound similar” is a reall thin line as well.
I think “produced” is a more hands-on approach, while “executive produced” is overseeing things from afar. That’s how I’ve always believed it, anyway.
I would think so as well. But I guess these credits are all not really set to stone anyway.
